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Thank god it is “Marvel’s Hawkeye” vs Black Panther on that “Miniverse” two pack — T’Challa would destroy M.A.S.H.’s Hawkeye!

I think the Coates comic is going to sell *very* well for the stores who stock it properly.

-B

Cool!! 25 yr old me woulda killed for a Kirby or Billy Graham Black Panther tshirt. I remember trying to find any BP shirt at all a decade ago and discovering there was only one (!!!) design online at the time. I’m looking forward to watching this Panther merch onslaught.

I’ve had this since I bought the game. Maybe because I preordered? I did see some DLC titles for Masters of Evil and Captain Marvel, but I don’t know much more than that

Interesting… is this the first time Spider-Man’s mask eyes have been animated?
(And will Stark hire him as a scientist?)

Trailer 2 “Captain America: Civil War” 5 Major Easter Eggs Revealed
http://zharazhar.blogspot.co.id/2016/03/what-did-we-see-in-trailer-2-captain.html
#5. The Underwater Prison Facility Emerges
#4.Definitive Numbers of The Major Accidents
#3.Further Explanation of Black Panther’s Background Story
#2. Hydra Facility in Russia and Potential Baron Zimo’s Background story
#1. The First, Fresh and New Look of Marvel Cinematics Universe’s Spider-Man

Trailer 2 “Captain America: Civil War” 5 Major Easter Eggs Revealed
http://zharazhar.blogspot.co.id/2016/03/what-did-we-see-in-trailer-2-captain.html

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‘Do you really care about a book that’s been gone for several months?’

nope

my money is thin, i will not bother with a book that can’t stay on schedule. i used to say ‘oh, i will get it when its complete’ but to be totally honest, there’s enough going on that i rarely ever do anymore

Of course I’m getting this

Sadly, when a Marvel title is late and/or doesn’t ship in a particular month, readers generally have no idea if the title’s even coming back. For the last several years, Marvel’s policy has been not to inform readers of a cancellation, but rather to let the title die with no notice. A title misses a couple months, we don’t know it’s status. That makes it hard to get emotionally and financially invested in a title.

Didn’t they try doing this with the Sentry (the Sentinel?) about a decade ago and it went no where?

Aha! He’ll be Star-Lord’s dad in the movie! “He was an angel…” – perfect Superman allegory!

Hyperion is hot with a beard!

“Will Hyperion be Marvel’s next star?”

Extremely unlikely!

-B

“Will Hyperion be Marvel’s next star?”

Sure — about the same time Red Wolf becomes the next Jason Bourne.

I thought of writing an essay about Reisman’s own errors (Lee’s superheroines were “pugilistic?” Really?) However, most of those errors are piddling in nature, and don’t detract from the question he raises.

While I found the essay valuable for the wealth of quotes from industry professionals, I would say that the writer fails to set a proper standard for “legacy.” He remarks, correctly, that Lee’s Marvel success is one of the great second acts in American history. But as he relentlessly chronicles all of the unpopular or unfinished projects Lee did in his later years, it might’ve been proper to note that very few writers, high or low, have much of a “third act” in their careers. I’ve seen critics observe that Jack London was a bad businessman too, but nobody questions his legacy because of that. And how many writers continue to be productive past their 50s?

Reisman says something about how Lee might’ve been better off had he just rested on his laurels– but without Lee and his corny cameos, how likely is it that the mainstream public would even appreciate the presence of real comics-creators behind the projects that Hollywood tweaks for moviegoers?

Even if every post-70s project Lee worked on was pure dreck, being the “Walt Disney” of American comics may be a valuable legacy in and of itself.

Gene: “but without Lee and his corny cameos, how likely is it that the mainstream public would even appreciate the presence of real comics-creators behind the projects that Hollywood tweaks for moviegoers?”

The catch being that the mainstream public appreciates the presence of real comic-creators…if they’re named Stan Lee. His tendency lately to have large cameos in movies whose characters he had fuck all to do with (most recently Deadpool and Big Hero 6) only serves to further lift up the name of Stan Lee, to the detriment of the people who actually created them.

“And how many writers continue to be productive past their 50s?”

Bram Stoker did Dracula at 50, Laura Ingalls Wilder did Little House at 64, Raymond Chandler did The Big Sleep at 51, J.R.R. Tolkien did The Lord Of The Rings trilogy in his 60s. Nothing was stopping Stan Lee from finally writing that Great American Novel, except maybe whatever kept him from even being able to write either of his own memoirs.

People often ignore the fact that just like Kirby, Stan doesn’t own any of the Marvel characters he (co-)created either. While that’s no excuse for any false claims he’s made, he had just as much bitterness about the industry as Kirby and Ditko, with the benefit of power (nepotistically granted via cousin Martin Goodman) so as to never fear being axed. Again, this power doesn’t excuse his false claims, but it does demonstrate that even with money and power, Stan still lacked creative ownership and couldn’t even publish the stories he wanted to tell (he was dejected after Silver Surfer was canceled due to low sales).

People often paint The Man as THE MAN, but he was merely petty, not wicked.

“His tendency lately to have large cameos in movies whose characters he had fuck all to do with (most recently Deadpool and Big Hero 6) only serves to further lift up the name of Stan Lee, to the detriment of the people who actually created them.”

Er, you do realize Rob Liefeld was in the same scene as Stan in Deadpool, right? And it was Rob and Fabien, and not Stan, who were created at the end of the film? Your claim makes no sense.

Rob and Fabian were listed as “Special Thanks,” not as creators.

I spotted Rob for 2 seconds (slightly out of focus, walking past the camera) in the Hellhouse after his name was said…was he also in the strip bar? If he was, he must not have been very visible in that scene either, and he definitely didn’t have a speaking line. Stan got a series of speaking lines in both Deadpool and Big Hero 6, on top of his face being clearly seen.

The average theater-goer recognizes both the name and face of Stan Lee. If you asked the average theater-goer if they know who Rob Liefeld or Fabian Nicieza are, or if they recognized a photo of them, you’d get a lot of “no”s. Likewise Steven T. Seagle and Duncan Rouleau. Likewise Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko.

Or to give another example, a Tumblr user Photoshopped Deadpool and Stan Lee into an image together. What the Photoshopper discovered?:

“I’ve come to learn that WAY too many people are under the impression that Stan Lee created Deadpool”

http://artemuscain-gamingandbs.tumblr.com/post/127767987584/the-hoody-geek-thatthinginyourshoe

It’d make for an interesting survey to see if it’s true, but it does seem that if someone is a Marvel character, the general public assumes Stan Lee created said character.

And when the ‘Dr Strange’ movie comes out, people will assume Lee created him even though Lee said in writing he was Ditko’s idea!

Kate,
The point IMO is that Stan is there to communicate the fact of authorship at all, as opposed to the days when outsiders never gave a thought as to who created Superman and Batman. Even when Jerry Siegel tried to sue over ownership of Superman in the 70s, it took considerable time for wire services to even bother to cover the story, according to Larry Tye’s findings.

If you want to believe that Stan stole all the credit for the Marvel works, you’ve got a lot of company, because it’s a familiar knee-jerk response in fandom. But the question of authorship is one that anyone can investigate if they care to do so.I believe that while Lee’s claim to complete authorship is exaggerated, but I believe the claims of Ditko and Kirby are just as exaggerated. But why do fans only attack Lee for his exaggerated claims, but allow Ditko and Kirby to skate on by? (Reisman comes close to this as well; he just barely mentions any questionable aspects of these artists’ outsized claims.)

I know that mainstream audiences are not likely to investigate anyone’s claims in detail, just as they were willing for many years to think that Walt Disney created all the Disney projects. The important thing is not the masses, who will never remember such details. My concern is that at least some of the intelligentisa– genuine or would-be– can even grasp the fact of comics-book authorship. If THEY don’t do their bloody research, that’s not Lee’s fault.

“Rob and Fabian were listed as “Special Thanks,” not as creators.”

I wrote a typo. I meant “credited.” And they were.

“I spotted Rob for 2 seconds”

There you go.

“The average theater-goer recognizes both the name and face of Stan Lee. If you asked the average theater-goer if they know who Rob Liefeld or Fabian Nicieza are, or if they recognized a photo of them, you’d get a lot of “no”s. Likewise Steven T. Seagle and Duncan Rouleau. Likewise Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko.”

Therefore . . . what? Stan’s been in the public eye since he did the university rounds in the mid-’60s. Your whole “detriment” argument is still baseless.

“If you want to believe that Stan stole all the credit for the Marvel works, you’ve got a lot of company, because it’s a familiar knee-jerk response in fandom.”

Stan even said he had no intention to appear in GotG because they were not his creations and he never worked on the characters (which is actually not true – he co-created Groot). Is it his fault they people want him in their movies? Is he “taking credit” for anything outside of, you know, cameoing as himself?

Ross is terrific.

These look really good.

The completist in me asks… was this ever done for the prequel trilogy? Dark Horse would have had the liscence then, wouldn’t they?

Isn’t he stating HIS run is ending with 12? Not necessarily that the series is ending at that point? This article makes it confusing.

WHAT THE HELL, PEOPLE. Sigh.

12/15 Weirdworld #1 – 30,288
01/16 Weirdworld #2 – 17,759 (-41.4%)

This book is so excellent. It’s honestly better than a zillion tons of the other crap Marvel is putting out right now, but alas, that never seems to matter. It isn’t an event title (wait, aren’t fans tired of those?! Until there isn’t one, then they whine they need one!) and no one dies (only to return six months later) so I guess there are no reason to buy it. Great art, wow story? Eh, I’ll wait for Civil War 3, please.

Fans are a fickle lot. They complain about event books, but hate when they don’t have one to complain about. They hate cheesy death announcements, and then help sell the book into the six figures! And do we need to at least give Marvel some props for attempting to put out niche books and see what would stick? Apparently, nothing. For that, again, I blame the fanboys (and girls.) I mean, how many times does everyone also complain about all the Spider/Bat/Super/Wonder books out there in comics land? But whenever the big two attempt something new, no one buys them. I’ve heard this complaint so many times it makes my ears bleed. It’s like we all literally ignore the complaining we aim towards comics on a daily basis. It’s maddening! I want something diverse, unique, cool! But when I’m given it, I’m gonna whine and want the same tried and true I’ve gotten the last umpteen years! No one wins, no one wins…

Spidey/Deadpool is ongoing? Okay. Looking forward to seeing what the sales drop to when Kelly and McGuiness leave the book within six issues.

@Nathan Aaron – one thing to bear in mind is that the people who say they want things probably really do want them and buy them – it’s just that there are a whole lot more people who aren’t saying anything at all but they are buying the opposite of what the first group wants.

Nathan Aaron, what did you think of G0dland, and Bitch Planet? Have you read Shark-Man? What about Bendis/Gaydos’s Alias? Have heard of Joe Sacco? Or that run by Lutes, Unstable Molecules? What do you think SLAM!-c’mere, do you want to see me make this pencil disappear….? Just only spend on the stuff that counts; stop buying the repetitive crap, unless you are at a used book store, or a flea market, or at a serious discount.

‘Comic Books’ are too small, and flimsy, and look like they are strictly for kids any way -it would be cool if there were more ‘Rollingstone’ sized magazine like sequential anthologies. People would spend on that as much as they wait in lines for a cheap Tshirt from China that has a trendy brand name on it. Americans love to be pretentious, spending, bigots that would love to show off their Punisher *magbook* if it was done right, if it looked cool, and functioned sequentially in a way that was bad ass… for example.

Hey Nathan Aaron, FYI:

It Will Never Love You Back: Marvel Entertainment, Ike Perlmutter, and Why the Corporation Cannot Be Your Friend
by Charlotte Finn February 1, 2016 12:00 PM
http://comicsalliance.com/ike-perlmutter-marvel-entertainment-consumers-and-corporations/

Read More: Marvel, Perlmutter, And Why Corporations Aren’t Your Friend | http://comicsalliance.com/ike-perlmutter-marvel-entertainment-consumers-and-corporations/?trackback=tsmclip

Why I’m Boycotting Marvel Comics
by J.A. Micheline August 4, 2015 2:00 PM
http://comicsalliance.com/marvel-boycott-axel-alonso/

Read More: “Why I’m Boycotting Marvel Comics” | http://comicsalliance.com/marvel-boycott-axel-alonso/?trackback=tsmclip

Nathan, perhaps start a petition to boycott -what do you want to boycott today, NAy? NAy?

Hey Nathan Aaron, FYI:

It Will Never Love You Back: Marvel Entertainment, Ike Perlmutter, and Why the Corporation Cannot Be Your Friend
by Charlotte Finn February 1, 2016 12:00 PM

Why I’m Boycotting Marvel Comics
by J.A. Micheline August 4, 2015 2:00 PM

Nathan, perhaps start a petition to boycott -what do you want to boycott today, NAy? NAy?

Marvel makes comics starring Marvel characters. People who read Marvel Comics usually want to read about Spider-Man, the X-Men, the Avengers, etc… A lot of what they are publishing nowadays is chasing away the loyal fan who just wants to read about their favorite characters. Yeah there’s room for Weirdworld but if fan’s aren’t buying the A-List books (excluding Star Wars) you can’t expect sales for B and C level titles to be great. Marvel, for the last decade, have invested more on the names under the title than the title itself. That makes for creator loyalty, not brand loyalty. Why read a Marvel book trying to be an Image book when you can just read an Image book?

FWIW, with DC and Marvel both putting out so many new series all the time (including renumbered ones), I’m not sure it’s possible for any series to “stabilize” for long.

About Star Wars sales, maybe we should also consider that the book started with John Cassaday on art and covers, and now it’s Deoadato or Leinil Yu. All of them are A list artists sure, but well, some are more A than others. I personally stopped after Immonen’s arc, maybe some other readers did. Looking forward to know who will be the next artist. Maybe they’ll be back on major ones, or slightly slipping on the B list ones.

Also, the fact the comics didn’t gain any new buyers (and worse, lost buyers) since the movie is out is not a good sign. Maybe the star wars mania is a already a bit passé, Marvel was definitely wise to launch the book nearly two years before the movie, but they’ve got to find another big hit now. It won’t be Star Wars for a while, at least not before the next movie – so a long while – and even then, it will never come back to those first issues sales.

@Nathan
The way I see it, Events and big names are creating a lot of static through which even very good titles have a hard time emerging. Maybe Marvel ought to create a Vertigo-like imprint for all the odd ones out to find a nest.

Holy cow! Could you possibly be more anal in picking out points of a several decade series crammed into a time and budget constricted movie? The Vanessa part was a bit drawn out but it certainly was more than just two panels. She was a prostitute, they did love each other and he did leave her because he had cancer. How much time and money do you think they had to explain that clusterfuck of a relationship? (I will NEVER forgive Sabertooth no matter how they try to rewrite him.)

Wade was in the reject, semi illicit weapons x program spinoff and Ajax was there trying to break Wades spirit. Wade did have a sense of humor and kept the spirits of the other program members up. I can understand why Killbrew was cut because time/money limitations. (Not to mention a boss fight against a old man…) The part of the movie that was not faithful to the movie the most was he got his name here and not in the Hellhouse.

And how much time did you want them to use to set up the Hellhouse? They even showed its original name as a old girls school. I mean really, complain about it if the movie was ten hours long, but for the time allocated they did a fantastic job.

And for Deadpools “friends” they nailed Blind Al, Weasel and Hydra Bob perfectly. Deadpool is a serious dick to all of them but he does have a moment here and there. Yes Blind Al is a prisoner of sorts and he does torture her once in a while but they do sort of like each other in a Deadpool kind of way. Unfortunately the movie could only be so long.

Dude really. Clickbait title if you really know Deadpool. Either that or you are just a google expert with a little bit of info trying to show off.

@Cruz chill man, this is not clickbait.
I felt this article made the case in favour of what the movies did change not against. He is the merc with a mouth, people care little about historical accuracy and more about character portrayal. As such there is no nit picking because it is clear the convoluted history of Deadpool as a character had to be changed. Moreover, the detail at explaining exactly what had changed is the key to making this point of the article clear.

Cruz: Pointing out fascinating differences is not “complaining.” Did you miss the sentences where I said the movie did it better than the comics? Did you miss the part in the “clickbait” headline that says I approve of the changes?

Let’s not argue well all love deadpool. The movie gave us all a tear of joy so fuck the debates and all I got to say is Fucking chimichangas
Love to all deadpool fans.

“Could you possibly be more anal in picking out points of a several decade series crammed into a time and budget constricted movie?”

Welcome to: the entire point of the article.

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DEADPOOL appears to be a 15-year-old boy’s idea of a mature, adult movie: graphic bloodshed, hot naked chicks, nonstop profanity, and nihilism depicted as really hip and cool.

The last adult movies I watched were both from 1933: JENNIE GERHARDT, starring Sylvia Sidney, and LILY TURNER, starring Ruth Chatterton. Watched ’em on YouTube the other night. They were definitely movies for adults, even though nobody in them cursed, got naked, or blew anyone’s head off with a shotgun.

“The last adult movies I watched were both from 1933”

You’re right, all movies should be like movies from 1933. Very relevant comparison.

Don’t worry, Skottie, someday you’ll grow up and start watching movies that don’t have fireballs and explosions every 3 minutes.

Sorry a bit of fan boy rage (even thought I am a old man) because the internet and all… I am a ass, you are cool. I am not smart enough to figure out how to edit my first comment, but there is no reason for me to ever talk to anyone like that. You even wrote a good article which gives me less reason.

the international marketing campaign has also been genius. I live in Peru and last week they launched a tv ad mocking one of the candidates running for office in this year’s national elections. deadpool’s been all over the place.

How is it Liefeld’s name has been in the media more for one movie than Kirby has for over a dozen?

prolly because Liefeld is still alive. He can like, be interviewed and stuff.

Maybe this will convince studios that superhero movies don’t have to be PG-13 to be hits. I can’t think of an R-rated movie based on a Marvel or DC property since WATCHMEN in 2009.

Kingsman, george

Liefeld is correct that R-rated action movies used to be common. The early Die Hard and Terminator movies were rated R. And the first Conan movie. So were the Robocop movies, the Rambo movies, the Dirty Harry movies, etc. This continued into the late ’90s with big-budget movies like Face/Off, Air Force One, and The Matrix, all rated R.

But at some point, studios decided that these movies were so expensive, they had to be PG-13 so “everyone” could see them. So we get the ridiculous MAN OF STEEL, where a heavily populated city is devastated but we see no mangled corpses. Because corpses might result in an R.

AGAIN with the Jack Kirby whining??? FFS. There’s always some random idiot complaining that Jack Kirby isn’t getting his due each and every time a Marvel movie comes out. It’s just plain tiresome… Give it a rest already… HE’S DEAD. STOP BEATING ON HIM.

George you hit the nail on the head. I was lamenting the very same thing earlier tonight. Happy to see something tongue in cheek and over the top has injected life into an increasingly tired genre.

More importantly, I’d be interested in seeing more of these films adopt a mid-level budget approach. The need for extravagant productions are why so many of these outings have such similar, world-shaking endings.

This movie strives to be a comic book brought to life. And it mostly succeeds. They have done a lot with such a low budget. More than expected!

Is there a “problem” with the Bechdel test? I think it serves a good purpose, but point #2, on its own, doesn’t mean that a show/film is a failure. It’s possible that you can have a couple very good female characters who never meet each other, but they pass #1 and #3

Wow. Can you comment on the reason for this article? I don’t sit around making hashmarks about my personal obsessions when I watch TV. Or read a book, see a movie, etc. The main question I have about my entertainment–is it entertaining? Entertain first. Preach second. Or never. This commentary really belongs on a personal blog, not a comics news site.

How did Age of Ultron pass? The only conversation I can recall are when Black Widow and Mrs. Hawkeye discuss the gender of the baby which was male..

Ultron passes according to this – http://bechdeltest.com/view/6217/avengers:_age_of_ultron/

I think the Madam B/Black Widow scenes would qualify it if you exclude the baby discussion

Vichus – I completely agree that a show/movie can fail this test and still be good. I also don’t think the Bechdel test is the only gauge for how well women are represented in fiction, but it’s a decent and quantitative starting point, with the assumption that there will always be exceptions where the test doesn’t really work (like Gravity). I don’t think that was the case in any of these specific episodes, though.

Oh no! Not the Flash!

Jerry, of course you don’t. If you’ve never felt marginalized, then you’re not going to feel the need to speak out or point out certain things. If two people are out on an extremely hot day and one feels fine while the other does not, whose reaction is valid and whose is not?

Colin, there are more women in the film than that.

Hannah: Yeah, the Bechdel test would also “fail” if the movie only involved one or two people. Good point.

Any time that group stereotypes are reinforced it is a public issue, not simply “a personal obsession”.

I wish that one more point could be added to the Bechdel test:

4. In a scene featuring a female character, is she fully clothed, or is she in a state of undress, or wearing clothing that is overtly revealing in some way?

I love The Flash, but it definitely wouldn’t pass this test, either.

Part of me is delighted to see the Crazy Gang turn up. The other part of me absolutely refuses to put down money for this because they’ll probably be killed off for yuks.

THANK YOU FOR CREATING THANOS. PLEASE DON’T SUE.

Hulk’s three toes on each foot–not a good look for him.

ETI: The three toes are cannonical. http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/avengers_2.shtml

Did Davis lose a bet or something?

@zach: Actually, Davis has said that he’s really pleased to be working with a writer who’s also an artist, and therefore knows something about visual storytelling–unlike some of the other writers with whom he’s worked at Marvel in recent years. He doesn’t name names, but I’d guess Bendis has to be the top of that list. Perhaps Brubaker, too? Hopefully not Al Ewing, with whom I thought Davis made really good comics. What other writers has Davis worked with at Marvel recently?

I’d argue that Marvel Heroes for the PC is a pretty solid use of Marvel characters, but other than that, you’re right–I miss the days of MUA.

Looks like they’re holding back on the big Spidey reveal! I’m definitely Team Cap, but the Vision isn’t exactly a pushover.

I was surprised that Warner Brothers whiffed on running a Batman vs. Superman commercial. The big-wigs at WB must have been gnashing their teeth when they saw that great Ant-Man/Hulk Coke commercial. Hard to imagine DC being that playful with their characters. Really showed how hugely far ahead Marvel Studios is…

“I was surprised that Warner Brothers whiffed on running a Batman vs. Superman commercial.”

They ran two actually in conjunction with Turkish Airlines. From an economics standpoint, kind of smart actually. And from a creative standpoint, the viral nature of them I thought was neat. Maybe not as impactful as the 30 second Civil War clip, but I would argue not a Whiff from Marvel’s ad as you suggest.