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Several years ago, way before tags were available on blogger, I did a really popular post on openings to avoid when writing fantasy novels.
Last week, I went to lunch with an editor from Tor and LOL, we got to brainstorming other “great” openings. So I’ve got a few to add to the list. Now I wanted to link to that previous entry but darn of I can find it! If anyone has it handy, post in the comments and I’ll embed the link.
From what I remember of the previous list, we saw a lot of fantasy novels with main characters gathering herbs in the forest. Who knew what a popular past time that was? Openings with battle scenes where the reader had no connection to the characters was another big winner.
Sure, any masterful writer can grab any of these “openings” and do them justice but for us mere mortals, they tend to be groan worthy.
The latest contenders:
1. Man sitting on steed in pouring rain.
2. Woman standing on high wall looking out into the distance at something
3. The city chase scene
4. Aftermath of a battle
44 Comments on Groan Worthy, last added: 6/24/2011
Did the people gathering herbs in the forest drink people's blood? Now THAT would be a unique and thrilling opening!
But, seriously, I'd love to hear about a few openings that jumped off the page and hooked you.
Anonymous said, on 6/21/2011 8:22:00 PM
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these openings are inspired by movies. I can see some of these working out really well in a film, but rather poorly in a novel.
I think your earlier piece (URL provided by Stephen above) was a little stronger because it briefly discussed why those openings were problematic. The present entry is more of a "don't do this" list--which would-be writers are constantly bombarded with. ("Don't use adverbs! Adjectives are also bad!" and other nonsense.)
The book "How Not to Write a Novel" by Howard Mittelmark has some great tips too. Like not giving the reader a description of the main character by having her look at herself in a mirror. Check it out.
"Status: The subway is getting a little steamy in terms of humidity these past few days." Amen that. It's getting like NJ Transit, turning down the air to save money.
OH NO! My book totally opens with a variation on one of these. (I'm not telling) I'm need to look into whether or not it really has to open that way. lol.
Agreed. I don't generally write [or read] fantasy, but I have rarely found a prologue I like. Even in books I enjoyed.
Take Eragon, for example. I liked the book as a whole, but the prologue totally confused me. [For those of you who haven't read it, the prologue is this random scene that makes absolutely no sense until at least halfway through the book]. I didn't make the connection between it and Eragon finding Saphira's egg until the end of the story anyway -- it could've easily been incorporated into dialogue between Eragon and Arya.
The prologue in Harry Potter [I can't remember if it was a prologue or just the first chapter, but I know the first bit followed Dumbledore and the rest of the series follows Harry] did work, in my opinion. But that's about the only one.
That being said, Kristin's right -- there are always exceptions. Look at movies. Avatar was pretty much Pocahontas, in space, with blue people. Same old story. But of course, James Cameron is James Cameron and therefore the movie was still awesome.
But if the MC isn't off gathering herbs, how will she escape getting burned with the rest of the village, including her beloved Aunt and Uncle who for some unknown reason won't tell her anything about her parents? She'll never get a chance to stand on the wall of her ruined childhood home and swear to track down the pond sucking scum who destroyed her village, killed her family, and forced her to realize that she does, indeed, have the strength and courage to find the truth. And the wind will never whip her hair around her face either. Gathering herbs is essential.
[blink] But but but... Patrick Nielsen Hayden really liked a story I did a few years back -- it started with the aftermath of a battle. He even said, "Stories like this are the reason I read." (One doesn't forget a statement like that from Patrick Nielsen Hayden. I've having it inscribed on my tombstone.)
Hilarious, Janice. I agree. Gathering herbs is essential.... or we could just call for more transparency on the part of storytellers. How 'bout a metafiction fantasy that opens: Fikus combed through the forest for the stubborn mushroom heads, not because he knew he would find them, but because he felt some strange urge for mushroom stew. It didn't matter that his entire village was preparing to enjoy the festivities of (insert generic holiday here)--the clouds were rolling in, and Fikus had long ago developed a nose for ominous events. Clouds were one thing. Clouds in the shape of effing trollocs made Fikus worry that he hadn't spent enough time trying to learn how to assume the void (or whatever other Jordan-knock-off-magic the writer has reinvented). He'd found that certain mushrooms made him at least feel like Rand al'thor, if somewhat less skilled.
Wow, the first draft of my novel totally started with number two. :) That is hilarious. Now that I'm on fourth draft the book doesn't begin there and that scene is completely gone from the story. Makes me glad I changed it.
Did you and the editor talk about what they are looking for? I'd be curious to know that too.
Anonymous said, on 6/22/2011 8:40:00 AM
Actually, Avatar was a redo of Dances with Wolves.
Or, opening with a discussion about The Chosen One.
Hey, I get that when you're on a quest, you may have to be chosen. But why do we have to open with it? When I read most of these intros is turns the voices in my head I usually hear when I read to static.
(Hey, it's okay to hear to voices. I'm a writer. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
reading the older post for the first time...darn, my story (adult fantasy) has a portal. and it's introduced in the first page or two. but the portal was created for a reason, if it's creation was partly unintentional, and it's not done as an excuse for awkward and wordy explanations of worldbuilding in conversations with the newly arrived and confused characters.
I guess my reasoning for starting the story there was to start with something interesting happening, and not start with backstory. But perhaps I could start about 15 minutes earlier with the event that created the portal, but that's a dark and violent event and most of the story isn't dark or violent, so i dont want to set the wrong tone for the book by opening with that.
the story also starts with rain, but just a light rain, no horse, and another main character noticing to themselves how gently it's raining.
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lol @ Steve C's "steed on a high wall" etc. Fantastic!
Re: the last comment, Kristin, when it comes to barking up trees, TwilightMOMS.com is the RIGHT one if the Twilight audience is anything your author is interested in attracting. Massive, massive, massive numbers of ladies who love to read and whose loyalty I would give my eyeteeth to harness if I were publishing anything YA right now. They had a spinoff thing a while back called Eve's Fan Garden as well.
Lucy said, on 6/22/2011 1:15:00 PM
@ Margo
Just to repeat Kristin:
"any masterful writer can grab any of these “openings” and do them justice"
So I wouldn't worry too much. Unless its the aftermath of a battle in the pouring rain and everybody gets sucked into a portal. ;)
I'm currently reading Diana Wynne Jones, Tough Guide to Fantasyland. It's a complete catalogue of all the cliches in fantasyland and has me rolling on the floor laughing.
Got to go, my sword is singing to me that it's time for rabbit stew.
This makes me so sad. I think I have a great and original idea,but I guess not. Is there any point to writing? (Other than making agents and editors laugh, apparently)
Not exactly openings, but at World Fantasy last year I listened to probably 25 different authors read from their books, and I think I heard this phrase at least 12 times: "Light streamed in through high windows."
I guess that's a good one for you fantasy authors to start avoiding...
In reading all of these posts, I guess the lesson is if you need to be told what not to do, then you're not reading enough. Or, conversely, for the people who are just finding out that their brilliant and unique ideas are not, your novel still isn't a failure. It's just another step forward in your million word apprenticeship. So stop bemoaning the immediate loss of fame and riches and get back to work.
The Hunger Games wasn't a first novel. It wasn't even a second, third, or fifth. Great stories take time. And becoming a great storyteller takes even longer.
Fantasy's my favorite genre, but urgh, whenever I pick up a book that starts out with a prologue, or the whole healer or mage thing, I just...put it back. I want to ask if the author has ever seriously gathered herbs in the forest. Don't most herbs need full sun, anyway? Provided s/he can find these herbs growing in the dark, does said author actually know what to DO with them? I think it would actually be possible to write a gathering-herbs scene if an author actually knew something practical about it instead of it being this mystical part of fantasyland.
Well... in a fantasy novella that I never finished, it opens with the main character -- a young and arrogant wizard -- waking up in the middle of the night to find that his house is on fire. I don't think that's done very often.
("The thought process for dealing with a crisis like this while half asleep proceeds in three stages: 'My house is on fire.', 'My house is on fire?', and 'MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE!!'. I skipped over the first two because a few seconds after awakening, the beam above me cracked and had me quickly rolling off the bed out of the way. That tends to wake a man up.")
Here's a cliche for you: opening with the main character narrating the bullet-points version of his backstory. It's annoying, because you have to put it on paper to solidify these things in your mind, but it bores the reader. I usually wind up writing it in the first draft, that removing it in the second and dispersing the information around the rest of the story. Or just into the ether.
She stood on the wall looking out on the twisted wreckage of her city after the battle and watched the man racing on his horse in the rain, the shadows at his heels and wondered if this was what it was like living in a fantasy novel.
I sadly couldn't fit gathering herbs in there. Maybe she has a garden on top of the wall.
Anonymous said, on 6/23/2011 12:13:00 PM
I read a lot. I especially love SF&F and have never come across a book with someone gathering herbs. Can anyone name a book that does have that?
Anonymous said, on 6/23/2011 12:21:00 PM
To David..I do read and continue to read many books. I am not 'bemoaning' any lack of money,but that no one will read my book because the main character is collecting herbs on page one. No matter how well written apparently that will stop editors and agents in their tracks. To Rose Green- Most herbs grow in the shade. I am well versed in herbs and as my character is Wiccan and a healer it is appropriate to my story.
I rifted off of that one so I knew just where to go to find the link.
Anonymous said, on 6/23/2011 2:48:00 PM
Anon 1:13, try Google Books. I found some using a search of only books, 21st century, many were non-fiction but I found some fiction in a minute of searching: Taming Her Irish Warrior; Banyan-Keeper of the Trees; Legends: Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy; Gap Creek; Sanakhou; A Highlander's Homecoming; Comanche Rain.
It isn't that you can't use herb gathering, you just have to make sure your story really stands out from all the others agents and editors are seeing in the queries they receive.
I don't think the problem with these openings is that they've become cliche, the problem is they don't work. A story is supposed to move and a stagnant setting without momentum takes it no where. It's just the writer clearing his or her voice before the story actually starts.
So to use the herb gathering example again, if you attach a sense of urgency to it, you could get a compelling opening. Like what if the character was looking for a specific herb out of panic to use in the antidote that will stop a venomous snake bite from killing her. Add to the the fact the herb itself is dangerous because it's a violent sentient plant that could kill her faster than the poison would. Now you have an effective beginning to your story. There's tension and high stakes, two main ingredients for good storytelling.
It's all in the spinning.
Anonymous said, on 6/24/2011 7:06:00 AM
An excess of despair, here. Just because you have an opening that may be cliched, that doesn't mean you can't change it, if necessary.
BTW--I am also well versed in herbs. If you're talking about the standard culinary herbs that most people call herbs, practically none will grow in shade. Rosemary, thyme, savory, etc. will croak in a matter of weeks and certainly will not grow naturally in the standard European forest, unless you make it a very open wood with a Mediterranean climate. Sweet woodruff, from German forests, is an exception.
But "herb" can mean any herbaceous (non-woody) plant with cooking or medicinal uses, and so, yes, there are plenty of herbaceous plants that grow in the forest. Look through an old herbal from the Middle Ages or Renaissance, and you'll see some doozies that no one should ingest, such as Mandragora. Cool legend, though.
As I've already sent off my first thirty pages to an illustrious agent, I profess I might be guilty of a few problems cited here. My opening starts with a main character sitting on a cliff looking out to sea, and horrors of horrors, it's at the beginning of a prologue (a challenging part of a novel).
However, I'd like to think that what I've written is compelling and totally necessary to my story. As there are many writers who have successfully woven in prologues, I'll hold on to my truth until I hear different.
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Yesterday I was explaining that agents don’t often have time to give detailed feedback because that would entail a critique of the manuscript and doing so is time-consuming.
Well, I should have clarified. Once a year, I always take the time to do exactly that for one lucky auction winner.
I read the 30 pages twice. First read to familiarize myself with the submission and the second read to actually write in-depth critique feedback in track changes of the Word doc. Just like I do for my clients when I read before submitting their material.
So if you want in on that action, it’s time to head over to Brenda Novak’s yearly auction to raise money for diabetes research. My critique page is here. Since I have a good friend plus a brother–in-law with diabetes, this auction is close to my heart.
This is a fabulous idea! Unfortunately I'm a little low on funds, so I can't bid. But I'm so glad you guys are doing this. I hope you raise a lot of money.
Would love to take advantage of an opportunity like this. My manuscript is ready to go but I am having difficulty fitting it into a neat and tidy genre package! That is to say, if I were to describe it how I feel I should describe it, it would be A ROMANTIC FANTASY ADVENTURE. So you see my dilemma. If I peg it wrong, I may get passed based on the genre I have chosen. I am reluctant to simply call it a ROMANCE or FANTASY ROMANCE or ROMANTIC FANTASY...well you see what I mean. I would love someone to speak to this issue. Can I call it a ROMANTIC FANTASY ADVENTURE without risking an auto pass?
This is an awesome opportunity for someone with some bucks. Unfortunately being unemployed for over a year, that won't be me. Still, I'm bookmarking for next year. At least while I'm not working, I have lots of time to write!
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Because we’ve been talking about openings, what works, what doesn’t, I wanted to show you an example from an author who is the master of action in the opening pages. Nobody does it better than Linnea Sinclair.
I would also recommend reading this author, even if this isn’t your genre, in order to learn about escalating conflict. Beginning writers often suffer from the fact that they don’t have enough conflict to drive their stories forward in a meaningful way.
Linnea is the master conflict, of raising stakes continuously through her novels. In fact, she often teaches a workshop on doing just that.
So let’s take a look at the opening of GABRIEL’S GHOST. Notice how she balances the action with setting (paragraph 1 & 2). Then in paragraph five, she raises the stakes even within this scene. Sprinkled throughout this opening paragraphs are key details on where our main character is (prison planet), who she was (fleet officer), why she is there (the court martial).
Folks, this is top-notch writing. In fact, you have to nail it this well for genre fiction or it just doesn’t work. I’d like to think you need to nail a form of this for literary fiction too—something aspiring literary writers often forget. Learn to write a plot-driven scene. You won’t use it the same way as one does in genre writing but it will teach you solid pacing—something a lot of aspiring literary works lack.
CHAPTER ONE Only fools boast they have no fears. I thought of that as I pulled the blade of my dagger from the Takan guard’s throat, my hand shaking, my heart pounding in my ears, my skin cold from more than just the chill in the air. Light from the setting sun filtered through the tall trees around me. It flickered briefly on the dark gold blood that bubbled from the wound, staining the Taka’s coarse fur. I felt a sliminess between my fingers and saw that same ochre stain on my skin.
“Shit!” I jerked my hand back. My dagger tumbled to the rock-strewn ground. A stupid reaction for someone with my training. It wasn’t as if I’d never killed another sentient being before, but it had been more than five years. And then, at least, it had carried the respectable label of military action.
This time it was pure survival.
It took me a few minutes to find my blade wedged in between the moss-covered rocks. After more than a decade on interstellar patrol ships, my eyes had problems adjusting to variations in natural light. Shades of grays and greens, muddied by Moabar’s twilight sky, merged into seamless shadows. I’d never have found my only weapon if I hadn’t pricked my fingers on the point. Red human blood mingled with Takan gold. I wiped the blade against my pants before letting it mold itself back around my wrist. It flowed into the form of a simple silver bracelet.
“A Grizni dagger, is it?”
I spun into a half-crouch, my right hand grasping the bracelet. Quickly it uncoiled again—almost as quickly as I’d sucked in a harsh, rasping breath. The distinctly masculine voice had come from the thick stand of trees in front of me. But in the few seconds it took me to straighten, he could be anywhere. It looked like tonight’s agenda held a second attempt at rape and murder. Or completion of the first. That would make more sense. Takan violence against humans was rare enough that the guard’s aggression had taken me—almost—by surprise. But if a human prison of
19 Comments on Opening Pages--Action, last added: 2/9/2010
"His pace was casual, as if he were just taking his gun out for a moonlit stroll."
I love this line! It does an amazing job of capturing the essence of the character's personality in a single sentence. I have to admire an author who can blend those little but oh-so-important character details into the action. I'm definitely going to have to order her book.
I love Linnea Sinclair and read "Gaberiel's Ghost" with the first cover that's screams science fiction. I'm not sure if I would pick up the book with the second cover since I haven't read her before then.
I'm not a big fan of any genre with "Romance" tacked on. I usually skip those pages. With authors that I know, I'll hold my nose if the cover stinks and buy the book.
A great opening indeed. Lots of action and plenty at stake, tension, hooks and intrigue. What I like is that she doesn't patronise the reader by explaining stuff - you have to stay alert and work some of it out for yourself. That's enough to make me want to read it!
WOW! I first started reading this purely as instructional thing. Something that was approved on this site.
But as soon as I read the first two sentences, I completely forgot the fact this was a little exerpt meant for study. I was actually reading the story. Now, I will have to go and get the book.
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I first read Gabriel's Ghost because I'd heard about it here, and something about it getting (nominated for?) an award for best paranormal romance when there wasn't a ghost in it. That piqued my curiosity enough that I read it, and I was astonished to realize I actually liked it.
I've been considering buying it ever since. I've checked it out a few times from the library—have it now, actually.
Wow. I'm HOOKED. While I try to hone my craft to reach this standard, I'll definitely be looking out for this book (and writer). Thanks for the great post, Kristin!
First, I love your blog. Thanks for ranting a bit.
This is definitely not my favorite genre, though I was far from bored. No doubt, a fabulous writer and a great opener. Because I am a novice working on my first novel, it was also semi-depressing...
Not that I dislike my writing or my story, but, as you noted, I feel that I do struggle with moving the plot or conflict well. I excel at character development and showcasing emotional travelogue...but external conflict is a chore. One I hope to master, but a chore nonetheless.
Thanks for the post. Can you supply any tips for those of us who rely on emotional connection with the reader early on rather than the excitement of an ever-cornering external punch??
That's good, but I liked the opening to DOWN HOME ZOMBIE BLUES by Linnea Sinclair better.
If anyone is shy of anything smacking of Science Fiction, but want to give it a try I recommend DOWN HOME ZOMBIE BLUES because it's set almost entirely right here on planet Earth. If it doesn't sucker you in, nothing will.
Awesome opener. It's unfortunate both covers are really ugly...I don't know who hires these artists, but using human photography has been out since the '90s... it's so cheesy, I expect this to be a great book, and it deserves more than some half-baked 3D renders of two human being or the cut and paste of the Ghost poster (I assumed this was meant to be an homage...) with another rip-off of a Stargate from the popular franchise of the same name.
My rant on craptastic covers is over, thank god it's not foreshadowing of the writing!
Anonymous said, on 2/8/2010 9:39:00 PM
Agree the writing is much, much better than the covers.
Anonymous said, on 2/9/2010 2:41:00 AM
I thought it was ordinary. I switched off after the first para. And I wouldn't say the genre is foreign to me.
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Kristin’s incomplete list of why prologues don’t work:
1. When the sole purpose of the prologue is to fill the reader in on the back story so the real story can begin.
This is so easy to point out but harder to explain.
In the example of UNDONE, Brooke needed a prologue to show how it all started. To juxtapose who the girls were when they first “meet” versus who they are when chapter 1 begins. The prologue also serves a strong purpose. It sets tone, character, and sets up several questions. Why did Kori become a “I-puke-cheerleaders-for-breakfast” kind of girl? Something has happened but what? Why is Serena obsessed with her by her own admission? And it’s very clear that these two girls have nothing in common in this bathroom scene yet Kori calmly states that they are more alike than Serena knows. They are connected.
This is a prologue with a clear purpose. The reader should want to know more by the end or it doesn’t work. It’s also masterful. Brooke managed to accomplish quite a bit in just 4 short paragraphs and this leads me to the second reason why prologues often don’t work.
2. They are too long.
This is the death of a manuscript if a writer has problem #1 and then it’s combined with problem #2.
3. When the prologue is in a whole different style or voice from the rest of the manuscript.
Then when chapter 1 begins, readers are left flummoxed—especially if that style or tone of voice is never revisited.
4. When the prologue is solely there to provide an action scene to “draw the reader in” but then serves no other purpose or is not connected to the main story arc or is only loosely so.
5. When the prologue introduces the evil character simply so the reader can “know” what is at stake.
I can sum this up in two words. Clumsy writing.
6. When the prologue is supposed to be cool (or I might reword this to say the writer thinks it sounds cool).
Lots of writers overwrite when creating a prologue. It shows.
When all of the above is happening (and there are probably a dozen more reasons why prologues often don’t work), it becomes really clear that the writer isn’t paying attention to dialogue, character development, plot pacing, etc. All key elements of good writing.
This is why almost all the agents I know completely skip the prologue and start with chapter one when reading sample pages. A beginner writer might actually be able to do good character, dialogue, tone, pacing, and whatnot but it’s more than likely not going to show in the prologue.
Now in defense of the prologue, when it’s done well, it’s truly an amazing tool. The number of times I’ve seen a prologue done extraordinarily well in requested submissions? Well, I can count that total on two hands….
"This is why almost all the agents I know completely skip the prologue and start with chapter one when reading sample pages."
I'm so glad you said that because I once asked students if they read prologues. Some did and liked them but most agreed they just skipped them. One girl explained: "Because the book doesn't start there."
I see why many prologues do not work, especially for first time authors. I have a prologue myself and I had to revisit it several times before I made it work. It's a mere one page and it's necessary because it's an introduction to a series and a fantasy realm. It's a concise look into the world my heroine resides and gives a brief and enticing glimpse into the events that follow.
If anyone wants to read a perfect example of #3, read Fern Michaels' "Pretty Woman." The prologue is from Vickie's POV, but the rest of the story is from Rosie's. The story was good, but the wrong POV prologue had me feeling off-kilter throughout the rest of the story.
This will always be a hot debate. I've argued on both sides of it in the past, and am now content to say, "Whatever works, works."
The key, however, is that you need to know WHY certain things work and why others don't. Many common "new writer" mistakes are made simply because they're new writers. They don't have the experience of trial and error behind them, and oftentimes, that is the only way we learn.
Someone can tell you "don't do this, and don't do that," until they're blue in the face. But until you try it yourself and practice and apply what you learn, you won't fully understand what they were telling you.
I've seen it with prologues. I've seen it with "showing vs telling." I've seen it with "keeping tension on every page." You think you get it, but you don't. The problem is, you don't realize that you didn't understand, until you DO understand.
Writing is a craft. It's not something that you can simply say, "This is how you do it, and this method will always work." It's not horseback riding, or carpentry, or baseball. There's much more gray than black and white, and that's where the new writers are getting lost and discouraged. In the gray area.
I consider prologues a gray area. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. They often don't for the reasons stated above. Conversely, it would be nice to see some examples here of prologues that do work, limited number that they are, so we have something to compare to.
Thought provoking . . . Gonna have to reconsider my little prologue. I like it and think it's one that would survive the cut, but . . I wrote it. Of course I think it's good . . . Better cut it.
Remember that a prolog and an epilog are just a method of framing a work.
The only thing in a prolog should be something that absolutely sets the tone, mood, theme, etc, of a work, and therefore changes how the reader will experience the first scene or chapter.
If it doesn't change the meaning of the first chapter, then save it and put it in a flashback - once you've earned the right to a flashback. If it doesn't affect the story at all, then sprinkle it through - or drop it in an appendix.
On the other hand, if it's the same characters, the same subject, and so on - or if your book already jumps time zones and places between chapters - then call it "Chapter One" and get on with it.
I still find it hard to give up my prologue because IT'S JUST SO MUCH DAMN FUN to write it for this book. I'll try to knock it off but I enjoy it so much!
Thanks for the insight, Kristin. I generally skip prologues. I find them often manipulative, a cheap attempt to shock the reader. When talking with others and in reading contemporary fiction, I find confusion between the use of a prologue as a narrative framing device and the use of a preface. For example, one highly popular YA novel begins with a preface and ends with a epilogue. Call me picky but it bothers me. Any thoughts?
What if I sent an agent the first three chapters, and get a request for the full manuscript, would the agent have a negative reaction upon finding a prologue?
Great info! I generally don't like to read prologues--which I now know are due to those reasons you've listed. :) But when I read one that's done right, it can really make a story.
I just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying your opening pages series. I rushed out and bought and read 'Soulless' as soon I'd read those first few pages (and suggested to my London bookstore that they order in some more). My only complaint is that I have to wait until May for the next installment!
I'm also writer-in-residence at a school next week and am going to use your opening pages session as the basis for a workshop. The aim is to help kids understand how to hook their readers right away and, of course, read them some great openings and persuade them that they need to rush out and buy the books!
I suspect that 'Pain Merchants' is going to be rather popular...
Mine is exactly 600 words. It makes you go OMG. It's actually the middle point of the book (where the first scene would be in order) and then the first chapter backs up to 3 months before to tell you how you arrive at the OMG scene. The scene is the premise of the entire book.
The prologue was actually a short fiction work that got lots of good comments for it's drama and emotion and people wanted to know more (which is how it's becoming a full length piece.)
The best prologue ever is from Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana. Amazing book. The prologue, though the reader doesn't realize it until much later, sets the stage for the entire novel. One sentence only, that most readers will probably forget and then . . . oh, my!
I learned from experience that, normally, what fits in a prologue can be interspersed throughout the first chapter . . . using less words. : )
Arrrrgh. I'm struggling with 'is this one of those rules that should be broken in my particular situation?' I know, the odds are against me, but I tried it by the rule first and it feels off.
I believe the most important thing to remember about the prologue is that it absolutely must be a part of the story, but because it takes place with a different time, place or characters than the rest of the story it seems appropriate to label it differently. Because of where it is in the story, the prologue must be the beginning of our introduction of the problem that we are trying to solve. In A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, Mark Twain uses the prologue to introduce the protagonist, a man we quickly see has trouble getting along with people and through most of the story takes place in a different time and place, we see that it is this problem that carries the rest of the story.
Anonymous said, on 2/4/2010 7:13:00 AM
Thank you! I can't stand prologues, and never read them. This is certainly just me, but I always get the sense that the writer is a little self-important about their work -- needing to go outside the normal realm of just beginning the book on the first page -- as if to say, look at me, I'm writing!!
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I've ranted about prologues a couple of times in the past, so your complaints are familiar! I also hate the world-building prologue, in which a ton of stuff about countries and races and etc is infodumped by a writer who doesn't know that story = character + conflict.
Other prologue things that infuriate me: * Lack of continuity between prologue and first chapter. None of the same people, places, plot elements etc. * Prologues which don't become relevant for ages and ages. * Protagonist's birth prologues = overdone. * Prophecy prologues = ditto.
I can only think of a handful of prologues I truly enjoyed. Scott Lynch sold me on The Lies of Locke Lamora and Joe Abercrombie on Best Served Cold by way of their superb prologues. Other books - not so much.
there is nothing more disconcerting than reading this a few days after submitting a sample with prologue and thinking, "oh no! She's not talking about me?"
So I will believe instead that I committed none of the 6 sins of prologue writing. Until an editor-friend tells me otherwise.
The best prologue I've ever seen is the one that kicks off the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. It does rather break most of the rules above, though.
It's also the main reason I've read through the long, involved series, no matter how much it's meandered. That prologue was effectively the end of the story last time this set of circumstances came around. It was utterly chilling and it gave you a sense of what was at stake. Evil may not have triumphed entirely, but good was vanquished and the world destroyed. Will this time be any different? After 18 years, I am still anxious as hell to find out.
What a prologue that is, for all intents and purposes, just a chapter. I have a prologue where the only reason it's a prologue and not Chapter 1 is that it's from the POV of one character when the rest of the novel is from the POV of a second character and I thought the transition would be jarring without making the former a prologue.
Is the stigma against prologues so great that I'm better off just making my prologue Chapter 1? It really is just a normal chapter besides.
I hate prologue! Okay, not all, but since I am a fan of fantasy I see it all the time and 9 times out of 10 I just think it's a crappy cop-out. The writer didn't know how to skillfully weave in the backstory and expose the important information, so they just jumble it all together and throw it up on the page and call it a prologue. Ironically, most of the time I'm just confused and spend half the story trying to figure out how it all connects, whereas I would have been much more engaged if they could have woven it all into the plot, revealing important information as it became relevant. I've sworn on the keys of my Macbook to never use prologue.
STATUS: It’s 7 pm so I’m ready to head out the door and to home.
What’s playing on the iPod right now? SAILING by Christoper Cross
Since I’ve been obsessively checking about every hour, the answer is no, the links to my Macmillan client books have not been turned back on. In talking with an editor at Macmillan this afternoon, she said she had no new news to report. Nor had John Sargent made another company-wide announcement. I hope for news tomorrow.
However, I did derive lots of enjoyment out of reading John Scalzi’s posting on the issue.
Meanwhile while we wait for Amazon to get head out of sphincter since they are throwing a tantrum over earning more money rather than less with the Agency commission model, I figured I’d jump back into our opening pages discussion.
Today’s entry is, thankfully, from a non-Macmillan author whose trade paperback edition just released this week.
Now please remember that when I share opening pages, I’m not sharing the polished final pages one will find in the published novel. I’m sharing the opening pages as I received them upon first submission when I requested the full manuscript. Sometimes that changes for final publication, sometimes not.
I’m going to have a blast with today’s entry. As most agents will tell you, it’s usually a waste of time for a writer to include a prologue when submitting sample pages. The prologue usually has a different voice or approach then the rest of the novel and is often a bad barometer of how the manuscript will unfold.
Not so in the case of Brooke Taylor’s UNDONE. This is an excellent example of how a prologue can completely set the tone. In fact, it can give you chills as a dark prelude of what’s to come. It can completely nail character. In this instance, for our narrator and for her best friend who is the driving force in the novel despite not being there for more than the first third of the work.
In fact, Jay Asher, NYT bestselling author for 13 REASONS WHY calls UNDONE, “A beautifully intense story. Brooke Taylor hooked me with the very first line and never let go.”
As to that very first line, I have to agree with Jay. And I’m sharing it with you right here.
Prologue: My best friend Kori came with a warning label—a black t-shirt that read: “Don’t believe everything you hear about me.” I was staring openly. Gaping. Gawking my geeky little eighth grade eyes out. I’d expected the bathroom to be empty when I charged in with blue dye from an ill-fated lab experiment soaking through my Ruby Gloom t-shirt. I never expected Kori Kitzler to be standing there, tapping a cigarette out of a red and white box and asking me if I had a light. My mouth dropped wide open. I don’t know which startled me more— that she really thought I smoked (At school!) or that she was actually speaking to me. From the moment Kori had transformed herself from squeaky-clean cheerleader-wannabe seventh grader to I-puke-cheerleaders-for-breakfast eighth grader, I was fascinated in her beyond any sane boundary.
I looked away, down, my eyes stalling on the warning stretched across her larger-than-most chest. I’d heard a lot of things about her. I’d heard that before school even started, she’d already had oral with half the junior high football team. I’d heard she dropped E with high school boys and had a three-way with two college guys. I’d heard she cracked a Tiffany lamp over Chelsea Westad’s br
29 Comments on Opening Pages (While We Wait For Amazon To Quit Shooting Themselves In Foot), last added: 2/5/2010
This book is already on my must read list. Can't wait to get it, and I won't be buying it from Amazon. I've boycotted them since it became clear what they were trying to do over a year ago.
As a soon-to-be Macmillan author, I'm glad that someone finally had the cahones to stand up to Amazon and, even though it might hurt my own book sales, I'm proud it was my publisher.
The book sounds great, and yes, buy from Powell's-- an incredible bookstore right here in Portland! I am so lucky to have such a great independent place to shop :-) And I think I'll be going by there tomorrow, so now I know what to look for!
Breathtaking. I applaud your linkage to a different site, other than Amazon!! I did the same with my Tuesday Review and linked to Barnes and Noble (I don't know many of the smaller ones). So, thanks for giving me another place to shop!
How frustrating (understatement) on the Amazon-Macmillan issues. Loved the first page of Undone, great voice. And is it bad I never knew about this Powell's place? Definitely spreading the word. Thanks!
the Mayans predicted 2012 as the year of apocalypse. They never forsaw 2010 for publishers.
Anonymous said, on 2/3/2010 2:14:00 AM
Isn't this Amazon tantrum interesting? When a business pitches a fit about getting more money, my psych nurse brain says,"Hmm...this sounds like a control issue."
Amazon needs to learn that control is an illusion (delusion?) and that on a good day, we're doing well to be in control of ourselves. We can never control others (without being abusive, and even that is not a certainty).
I got a real passive-aggressive vibe from Amazon's statement on Sunday, a call to arms almost to their already boycott-happy squeaky wheels, along with what seemed to be a "other publishers, you'd better not agree with this and ask for the same thing, or look what will happen" vibe.
Or maybe I need a nice long vacation away from psychiatry. ;) It is unfathomable to me that people would really balk at the structured pricing for new releases of e-books. It's five bucks, at most. My priorities are skewed where books are concerned. They are priceless treasures IMO.
I have just placed my order! If anyone else wants a UK alternative, The Book Depository is excellent. They accept paypal (while Amazon don't) and also offer free shipping - worldwide. :)
Very intrigued! I loved it, and I would love to have more! So I vote no Amazon as well, and will be purchasing it from Powell's! Thanks for the sneak peak!
Brilliant, simply brilliant. She hooked me and you hooked me. I'm heading to Powell's now and will tweet this to Twitterville. As always, best to you and your talented authors.
I haven't read a first page this good in a long time. LONG TIME. I'm not even a big YA reader, but this got me. I also liked how the writer wasn't shy; she wasn't trying to be politically correct, i.e. even though the character is in 8th grade, she unabashedly mentions "made oral," "lesbian sex" etc. The lesbian sex thing especially--not PC, but exactly what an adolescent would say. My god, I'm mesmerized by Kori!
Amy said, on 2/3/2010 7:55:00 AM
Don't many readers skip prologues?? I'm glad I don't - I wouldn't want to miss that one!
Thanks for the tip on Powell's. Like Lisa, I switched my book buying from Amazon long ago, but now I'm taking the rest of my business with me, too.
I especially like the Amazonians participating in the Macmillan boycott who say, "There's nothing from Macmillan I want to buy now, anyhow." As in Macmillan "lost" a sale they never had in the first place.
Holy crap! I'd never heard of this book before, but now I have to know what happens :). I can absolutely see why you jumped on this one!
Also, thanks for linking Powells :). As a pacific northwest girl, I am a die hard Powells Fan. Great customer service, wonderful recommendations--an all around great store!
And in addition to buying a copy from your local bookseller or non-Amazon online source, how about logging into your local library and placing a hold on this fine title? And if they don't have it, request that they buy a copy - 'cause they will!
STATUS: It’s after 7 pm again and I’m getting ready to leave the office.
What’s playing on the iPod right now? SHE’S LIKE THE WIND by Patrick Swayze
Today I want to share some opening pages that are all about voice. Some authors have really distinctive voices and often the deciding factor is not whether the writing is good or not but whether the voice fits an agent’s taste.
For me, Gail Carriger’s SOULLESS is a perfect example. This is a really distinctive voice aptly demonstrated by the opening pages. It’s either going to be your cup of tea (pun intended as anyone who reads and loves Gail’s work will get the joke immediately) or it won’t.
It’s obviously fits in my teacup just fine.
Chapter One: In Which Parasols Prove Useful
Miss Alexia Tarabotti was not enjoying her evening. Private balls were never more than middling amusements for spinsters, and Miss Tarabotti was not the kind of spinster who could garner even that much pleasure from the event. To put the pudding in the puff: she'd retreated to the library, her favorite sanctuary in any house, only to happen upon an unexpected vampire.
She glared at the vampire.
For his part, the vampire seemed to feel their encounter had improved his ball experience immeasurably. For there she sat, without escort, in a low-necked ball gown.
In this particular case, what he didn't know could hurt him. For Miss Alexia had been born without a soul, which any decent vampire of good blooding knew made her a lady to avoid most assiduously.
Yet he moved towards her.
This would have been unsurprising with any non-vampire, for Miss Tarabotti generally kept her soulless state quite hush-hush. Miss Tarabotti wasn't undead, mind you. She was a living breathing human, just...lacking. But it was just too much of a bother to explain soullessness to the ill-informed masses. It was a moot point on most occasions anyhow. The members of the social circles she frequented never noticed she was missing anything. Miss Tarabotti seemed to them nothing more than a standard English prig, whose spinsterhood had been brought about by a combination of assertive personality, dark complexion, and overly strong facial features. Miss Tarabotti telling people she lacked a soul would cause general awkwardness at best. It was almost, though not quite, as embarrassing as having it known that her father was both Italian and dead.
Alexia was shocked to find, however, that this vampire appeared not to know the details of her character, and actually continued to approach her. The supernatural set always knew she had no soul. They kept detailed records of those born preternatural. People like Miss Tarabotti were dangerous: soullessness cancelled them out. As soon as they touched her: whoosh – they were no longer supernatural at all.
In this particular instance the vampire came darkly-shimmering out of the library shadows with feeding fangs ready, touched Miss Tarabotti, and was suddenly no longer darkly doing anything at all. Just standing there, the faint sounds of a stringed quartet in the background, foolishly fishing about with tongue for fangs unaccountably mislaid.
Miss Tarabotti, having escaped the jaws of that worst party-going evil – society matrons en masse – was most disgruntled to find herself under attack in her library sanctuary.
The vampire got over his foolish lack of fangs quickly enough. He reared away from Alexia and her unexpected effect on his supernatural state, knocking over a nearby tea trolley. Contact broken, his fangs reappeared once more. Clearly not the sharpest of tacks, he then dove forward from the nec
38 Comments on Opening Pages (cont.), last added: 1/29/2010
A great study not only on voice, but exposition as well. To place your reader so well in the first pages, yet keep it moving...that's skill (particularly with fantasy when there is so much to reveal about the world!) And the voice is all its own, no question.
I have to admit, I've bypassed this book because I've grown a little tired of the paranormal, particularly vampires and werewolves. This just goes to show you that a fresh voice can make any overdone trend new and exciting.
Thanks for sharing! I'm sold. I'll go buy the book now.
I usually hate fantasy, but the writing and the voice are what make this a winner. I listened to the first chapter on some website and really enjoyed it. Sort of like Amelia Badelia meets Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
Great post and all, but can I just tell you how disturbed I am right now that I never knew Patrick Swayze sang that song. Please don't judge me too harshly.
Thank you for the great answer, Kristin. This was something I have been wondering about for a long time and now I think I'm finally (hopefully) getting it. Thanks especially for making an exception and answering my question on your blog.
Excellent point. I think sometimes we writers get a wee tired of hearing "Show don't tell!" over and over, but if we're told it so often, that means it's a problem.
And now I need to find a copy of "Soulless" to see what happens next! You are very sneaky, aren't you?
"It was almost, though not quite, as embarrassing as having it known that her father was both Italian and dead."
Genius. I love it.
This didn't entirely work for me, though - although the voice is excellent and the character is a dream, I felt that Miss Tarabotti's telling took all the drama out of the vampire attack. That said, I have the impression it's not supposed to be a very dramatic vampire attack, just a rather rude, puzzling and inconvenient one. I'd need to read slightly further to see if that detached, analytical tone suited the setting. I suspect it will, though, and I will be reading further :D
Anonymous said, on 1/28/2010 5:51:00 AM
"...Private balls were never more than middling amusements for spinsters..."
I'm sorry, my mind went somewhere it wasn't supposed to with this sentence. I'm eating a piece of confetti cake for breakfast and it is now all over my desk. Ha!
I loved this until I got to the line "(It was terribly de rigeur for her to be carrying a parasol at an evening ball, but Miss Tarabotti rarely went anywhere without it.)"
Why? Because THIS is what de rigeur means: "necessary according to etiquette, common sense, protocol or fashion. Something that is de rigueur is required by convention or fashion".
How did that get by the copy editor? I hope this clanker will gets fixed in any reprints.
Yes, you CAN lose a reader over something like that.
I find it interesting to study the effects of a strong voice on writing. Sometimes a strong voice comes across to me as cheeky, sarcastic, like the author is constantly trying to make things cute and funny. Other times, a strong voice really adds to the piece. Ray Bradbury is one author I think of.
Michelle M. said, on 1/28/2010 7:33:00 AM
At first I thought "Oh, another vampire book? Yippe. That's just what the world needs right now." Then upon finding out she's lacking in the soul department and that's dangerous to the undead I thought "Yep, bring on another vampire book!" Very interesting twist! I agree that her voice gives just enough to hook you in and make you consider coming down with a sudden illness that makes leaving work and going straight home (via a detour at the book store) necessary. Thanks!
It's a FANTASTIC book and I highly recommend it. I usually don't read humorous books, but I was hooked after the first few pages, and now can't wait for Changeless.
Anon--this is not how it appears in the printed book. was changed to "terribly tasteless"...I think Kristin is posting here the original pages that caught her eye?
I really enjoyed the opening pages when I checked 'em out via Amazon. And, as you intimated, voice conquers all (i.e., if you've got a bland one and show things perfectly, it probably ain't gonna read as well).
re: the cover -- not thrilled. Seems like she's got some weird form of scoliosis the way her back is arched like that.
This is an excellent example. I just finished reading this book, and within two pages knew I was going to be eagerly awaiting the sequel. The fantastic thing is that she doesn't lose her voice at all through the novel. It made me look at my own WIP and wish I were writing a more comedic story instead of a serious one because Carriger's book was so much fun to read.
(And no offense, but I actually don't think the cover captures Alexia correctly. The pose and dress do, but the model doesn't seem to match the physical description of Alexia. I much prefer the image they're going to use for CHANGELESS.)
You must stop posting these awesome opening pages! I'm too broke to keep buying these books because I have to know what happens next.
Cole K said, on 1/28/2010 11:13:00 AM
Regarding the "de rigeur" posted above: When I read that, I took it for what it meant (necessarily fashionable) and then interpreted the statement as meaning she normally took pains to avoid the appearance of shallow "trendiness," but made an exception for her parasol.
Believe it or not, I think my favorite part was the chapter subheading. They have such tone-setting power; I always enjoy seeing authors employ them well.
I am buying this book RIGHT NOW. Thanks for sharing the first few paragraphs and winning a new reader. Also, thanks for the impetus to go rework my own first pages!
Bravo to Gail. I read this blog entry and ended up buying the book on my lunch break. That's what a great voice can do.
Anonymous said, on 1/28/2010 4:30:00 PM
Loved the voice but stopped reading after finding out it's yet one more VAMPIRE novel..sigh..not again. Why not make it a historical romance next time?
I read this book a few weeks ago after seeing it mentioned here and I loved it! I devoured it in one evening and barely stopped to eat or pee. Now I can't wait for the next one! It was great to see her query letter and how the book came to be published. Thanks!
Back to "de rigeur" again. Aside from the fact the spelling is actually "de rigueur" (without that extra 'u' it would be pronounced "ree-jer" or something odd like that)... it's definitely a clunker. If I were standing in a bookstore reading the first page and came across that I would put the book back on the shelf, despite the delightful premise and wonderful protagonist. It's a matter of trust: if neither the author nor the copy editor knows her way around this sort of idiom I don't feel safe plunging into a text that may make me groan again.
That said, I know this sort of thing won't bother everyone, and the novel's setting and premise are truly fascinating. I'm sure the series will do well.
For what it's worth, the opening quoted in this post is radically different from the opening that is in the book. (No more "de rigueur," for one thing; it's now "terribly tasteless.") This must be an earlier draft.
Anonymous said, on 1/29/2010 2:07:00 PM
Yeesh. I've read this blog for over a year, so I'm a little sorry this comment makes my first post; for folks having a hard time finding an agent, these opening pages are perfect examples of how subjective opinions of a work can be. The opening is structurally fine from a language perspective, but I personally find everything else about it astonishingly bad. The situation is trite, the "humor" contrived, and the tone sounds forced and amateurish to my inner ear. I definitely wouldn't buy it after having read that first page. Just goes to show that "good writing" is a matter of opinion.
Tags are awesome!! And I won't be of any use with the finding of that entry. hehe. I'm a more recent follower!
Do you mean this one?
http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2006/05/recaptop-10-things-id-rather-not-see.html
What if it's the steed who's standing on a high wall in the pouring rain, looking out into the distance at the aftermath of a battle?
Did the people gathering herbs in the forest drink people's blood? Now THAT would be a unique and thrilling opening!
But, seriously, I'd love to hear about a few openings that jumped off the page and hooked you.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these openings are inspired by movies. I can see some of these working out really well in a film, but rather poorly in a novel.
How bout a guy selling magic beans. Do you get a lot of those these days? Girl tending Unicorn? Guy whirled back in time? (I still love that one.)
Didn't Diane Wynne Jones have something about eating stew in a fantasy novel?
I think your earlier piece (URL provided by Stephen above) was a little stronger because it briefly discussed why those openings were problematic. The present entry is more of a "don't do this" list--which would-be writers are constantly bombarded with. ("Don't use adverbs! Adjectives are also bad!" and other nonsense.)
Google is your friend.
I typed in "Pub Rants Fantasy Openings" and the link Stephen provided was the 3rd link to pop up.
The book "How Not to Write a Novel" by Howard Mittelmark has some great tips too. Like not giving the reader a description of the main character by having her look at herself in a mirror. Check it out.
sj-drum.blogspot.com
"Status: The subway is getting a little steamy in terms of humidity these past few days."
Amen that. It's getting like NJ Transit, turning down the air to save money.
OH NO! My book totally opens with a variation on one of these. (I'm not telling) I'm need to look into whether or not it really has to open that way. lol.
Agreed. I don't generally write [or read] fantasy, but I have rarely found a prologue I like. Even in books I enjoyed.
Take Eragon, for example. I liked the book as a whole, but the prologue totally confused me. [For those of you who haven't read it, the prologue is this random scene that makes absolutely no sense until at least halfway through the book]. I didn't make the connection between it and Eragon finding Saphira's egg until the end of the story anyway -- it could've easily been incorporated into dialogue between Eragon and Arya.
The prologue in Harry Potter [I can't remember if it was a prologue or just the first chapter, but I know the first bit followed Dumbledore and the rest of the series follows Harry] did work, in my opinion. But that's about the only one.
That being said, Kristin's right -- there are always exceptions. Look at movies. Avatar was pretty much Pocahontas, in space, with blue people. Same old story. But of course, James Cameron is James Cameron and therefore the movie was still awesome.
But if the MC isn't off gathering herbs, how will she escape getting burned with the rest of the village, including her beloved Aunt and Uncle who for some unknown reason won't tell her anything about her parents? She'll never get a chance to stand on the wall of her ruined childhood home and swear to track down the pond sucking scum who destroyed her village, killed her family, and forced her to realize that she does, indeed, have the strength and courage to find the truth. And the wind will never whip her hair around her face either. Gathering herbs is essential.
[blink] But but but... Patrick Nielsen Hayden really liked a story I did a few years back -- it started with the aftermath of a battle. He even said, "Stories like this are the reason I read." (One doesn't forget a statement like that from Patrick Nielsen Hayden. I've having it inscribed on my tombstone.)
Now I'm just confused.
Hilarious, Janice. I agree. Gathering herbs is essential.... or we could just call for more transparency on the part of storytellers. How 'bout a metafiction fantasy that opens: Fikus combed through the forest for the stubborn mushroom heads, not because he knew he would find them, but because he felt some strange urge for mushroom stew. It didn't matter that his entire village was preparing to enjoy the festivities of (insert generic holiday here)--the clouds were rolling in, and Fikus had long ago developed a nose for ominous events. Clouds were one thing. Clouds in the shape of effing trollocs made Fikus worry that he hadn't spent enough time trying to learn how to assume the void (or whatever other Jordan-knock-off-magic the writer has reinvented). He'd found that certain mushrooms made him at least feel like Rand al'thor, if somewhat less skilled.
Wow, the first draft of my novel totally started with number two. :) That is hilarious. Now that I'm on fourth draft the book doesn't begin there and that scene is completely gone from the story. Makes me glad I changed it.
Did you and the editor talk about what they are looking for? I'd be curious to know that too.
Actually, Avatar was a redo of Dances with Wolves.
Or, opening with a discussion about The Chosen One.
Hey, I get that when you're on a quest, you may have to be chosen. But why do we have to open with it? When I read most of these intros is turns the voices in my head I usually hear when I read to static.
(Hey, it's okay to hear to voices. I'm a writer. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
Typo much? That should read "it turns". It's too early for me and my minions haven't plied me with coffee.
reading the older post for the first time...darn, my story (adult fantasy) has a portal. and it's introduced in the first page or two. but the portal was created for a reason, if it's creation was partly unintentional, and it's not done as an excuse for awkward and wordy explanations of worldbuilding in conversations with the newly arrived and confused characters.
I guess my reasoning for starting the story there was to start with something interesting happening, and not start with backstory. But perhaps I could start about 15 minutes earlier with the event that created the portal, but that's a dark and violent event and most of the story isn't dark or violent, so i dont want to set the wrong tone for the book by opening with that.
the story also starts with rain, but just a light rain, no horse, and another main character noticing to themselves how gently it's raining.
Comment about Maria Lu’s Legend.
FYI
Legend is listed on the web site www.TheWrap.com along with the Hunger Games, Earthseed, The mortal Instruments and Legend. No mention of the Nelson Agency but it discusses each studio’s interest in each story to tap into the future void of Harry Potter and Twighlight almost done. The embedding came from Twighlightmoms.com to The Wrap. Didn’t know if you knew about it.
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http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/studios-shopping-young-adult-novels-28316?page=0,0
Checked Lu's site didn't see it mentioned.
lol @ Steve C's "steed on a high wall" etc. Fantastic!
Re: the last comment, Kristin, when it comes to barking up trees, TwilightMOMS.com is the RIGHT one if the Twilight audience is anything your author is interested in attracting. Massive, massive, massive numbers of ladies who love to read and whose loyalty I would give my eyeteeth to harness if I were publishing anything YA right now. They had a spinoff thing a while back called Eve's Fan Garden as well.
@ Margo
Just to repeat Kristin:
"any masterful writer can grab any of these “openings” and do them justice"
So I wouldn't worry too much. Unless its the aftermath of a battle in the pouring rain and everybody gets sucked into a portal. ;)
I'm currently reading Diana Wynne Jones, Tough Guide to Fantasyland. It's a complete catalogue of all the cliches in fantasyland and has me rolling on the floor laughing.
Got to go, my sword is singing to me that it's time for rabbit stew.
*Whew* At least the opening so far isn't going to need to be rewritten...but I haven't read your original post yet.
I love hearing about the things agents/editors get tired of seeing. Narrows down the field a smidgeon ;)
I've definitely read some fantasy novels that started with characters gathering herbs in the forest. Great post.
What about a young witch nailing a backflip? (Her mom was watching from the tower wall) *grin*
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Thanks for sharing what not to do.
This makes me so sad. I think I have a great and original idea,but I guess not.
Is there any point to writing? (Other than making agents and editors laugh, apparently)
Not exactly openings, but at World Fantasy last year I listened to probably 25 different authors read from their books, and I think I heard this phrase at least 12 times: "Light streamed in through high windows."
I guess that's a good one for you fantasy authors to start avoiding...
It's about time something was done with a cheese sandwich.
In reading all of these posts, I guess the lesson is if you need to be told what not to do, then you're not reading enough. Or, conversely, for the people who are just finding out that their brilliant and unique ideas are not, your novel still isn't a failure. It's just another step forward in your million word apprenticeship. So stop bemoaning the immediate loss of fame and riches and get back to work.
The Hunger Games wasn't a first novel. It wasn't even a second, third, or fifth. Great stories take time. And becoming a great storyteller takes even longer.
Fantasy's my favorite genre, but urgh, whenever I pick up a book that starts out with a prologue, or the whole healer or mage thing, I just...put it back. I want to ask if the author has ever seriously gathered herbs in the forest. Don't most herbs need full sun, anyway? Provided s/he can find these herbs growing in the dark, does said author actually know what to DO with them? I think it would actually be possible to write a gathering-herbs scene if an author actually knew something practical about it instead of it being this mystical part of fantasyland.
Well... in a fantasy novella that I never finished, it opens with the main character -- a young and arrogant wizard -- waking up in the middle of the night to find that his house is on fire. I don't think that's done very often.
("The thought process for dealing with a crisis like this while half asleep proceeds in three stages: 'My house is on fire.', 'My house is on fire?', and 'MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE!!'. I skipped over the first two because a few seconds after awakening, the beam above me cracked and had me quickly rolling off the bed out of the way. That tends to wake a man up.")
Here's a cliche for you: opening with the main character narrating the bullet-points version of his backstory. It's annoying, because you have to put it on paper to solidify these things in your mind, but it bores the reader. I usually wind up writing it in the first draft, that removing it in the second and dispersing the information around the rest of the story. Or just into the ether.
She stood on the wall looking out on the twisted wreckage of her city after the battle and watched the man racing on his horse in the rain, the shadows at his heels and wondered if this was what it was like living in a fantasy novel.
I sadly couldn't fit gathering herbs in there. Maybe she has a garden on top of the wall.
I read a lot. I especially love SF&F and have never come across a book with someone gathering herbs.
Can anyone name a book that does have that?
To David..I do read and continue to read many books. I am not 'bemoaning' any lack of money,but that no one will read my book because the main character is collecting herbs on page one. No matter how well written apparently that will stop editors and agents in their tracks.
To Rose Green- Most herbs grow in the shade. I am well versed in herbs and as my character is Wiccan and a healer it is appropriate to my story.
Was it Killer Openings?
http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2010/09/killer-openings.html
I rifted off of that one so I knew just where to go to find the link.
Anon 1:13, try Google Books. I found some using a search of only books, 21st century, many were non-fiction but I found some fiction in a minute of searching: Taming Her Irish Warrior; Banyan-Keeper of the Trees; Legends: Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy; Gap Creek; Sanakhou; A Highlander's Homecoming; Comanche Rain.
It isn't that you can't use herb gathering, you just have to make sure your story really stands out from all the others agents and editors are seeing in the queries they receive.
I don't think the problem with these openings is that they've become cliche, the problem is they don't work. A story is supposed to move and a stagnant setting without momentum takes it no where. It's just the writer clearing his or her voice before the story actually starts.
So to use the herb gathering example again, if you attach a sense of urgency to it, you could get a compelling opening. Like what if the character was looking for a specific herb out of panic to use in the antidote that will stop a venomous snake bite from killing her. Add to the the fact the herb itself is dangerous because it's a violent sentient plant that could kill her faster than the poison would. Now you have an effective beginning to your story. There's tension and high stakes, two main ingredients for good storytelling.
It's all in the spinning.
An excess of despair, here. Just because you have an opening that may be cliched, that doesn't mean you can't change it, if necessary.
BTW--I am also well versed in herbs. If you're talking about the standard culinary herbs that most people call herbs, practically none will grow in shade. Rosemary, thyme, savory, etc. will croak in a matter of weeks and certainly will not grow naturally in the standard European forest, unless you make it a very open wood with a Mediterranean climate. Sweet woodruff, from German forests, is an exception.
But "herb" can mean any herbaceous (non-woody) plant with cooking or medicinal uses, and so, yes, there are plenty of herbaceous plants that grow in the forest. Look through an old herbal from the Middle Ages or Renaissance, and you'll see some doozies that no one should ingest, such as Mandragora. Cool legend, though.
Donna
I just want to point out that I love that song. Makes me miss the 90s even harder than I already do, though.
As I've already sent off my first thirty pages to an illustrious agent, I profess I might be guilty of a few problems cited here. My opening starts with a main character sitting on a cliff looking out to sea, and horrors of horrors, it's at the beginning of a prologue (a challenging part of a novel).
However, I'd like to think that what I've written is compelling and totally necessary to my story. As there are many writers who have successfully woven in prologues, I'll hold on to my truth until I hear different.